NiMos
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Post by NiMos on Dec 1, 2003 10:26:35 GMT -5
Mia pou h DOE enekrine na ginei to a8lhma ths sfairobolias sto Arxaio Stadio ths Olympias, skefthka oti 8a htan pollh endiaferousa kapoia 'parousiash' aytou toy stadiou sto site. Ousiastika prokeitai gia to prwto stadio pagkosmiws kai ton kai ton topo die3agvghs twn arxaiwn olympiakwn agwnwn...
8a mporouse akoma na ypar3ei kai eidiko tmhma sto site, afierwmeno se arxaia stadia, mia pou yparxoun arketa... Mhn 3exname oti kai to Pana8hnaiko Stadio (pou 8a xrhsimopoih8ei to 2004), einai ousiastika to anapalaiwmeno stadio ths arxaias A8hnas... Oso gia alla arxaia stadia, yparxoun mpolika, kai malista kapoia eixan kai idiaitero rolo sthn arxaia Ellada (px. Delfwn, Nemeas, klp.)
An telika ylopoih8ei kapoia tetoia idea, mporw na boh8hsw, toulaxiston sto istoriko kommati (logw background...)
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Post by chris on Dec 1, 2003 12:59:55 GMT -5
eipan oti den 8a ypar3oun pros8hkes h genika parembaseis sto stadio pragma pou 8a 8etei ton a8lhth se deos opws eipe kai enas italos gia to pana8inaiko
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Post by Admin on Dec 1, 2003 17:59:50 GMT -5
Ðïëý åíäéáöÝñïõóá ðñüôáóç. Èá ôï êïéôÜîù ãéá ôï ìÝëëïí.
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Post by Lucretius on Dec 1, 2003 18:05:39 GMT -5
Ôï ðáíáèçíáéêü óôÜäéï äåí åßíáé áíáðáëáéùìÝíï. Ï ïñïò "áíáêáôáóêåõáóìÝíï" èá ôïõ ðÞãáéíå êáëýôåñá! Ïé áñ÷éêÝò ðñïôÜóåéò ôïõ ÌåôáîÜ åõôõ÷þò äåí õëïðïéÞèçêáí ðëÞñùò.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2003 7:36:25 GMT -5
edeiksan oi germanoi mia ekpomph gyrw apo thn a8hna kai ta ktismata ths. To panathinaiko ksekinhse kata to 1890 kai teliwse to 1902 douleuan 200 ergates ktl. meta eixe afierwma gia to oaka
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Post by Ypsilon on Dec 2, 2003 7:52:23 GMT -5
ËïõêñÞôéå, ðïéåò Þôáí ïé áñ÷éêÝò ðñïôÜóåéò ôïõ ÌåôáîÜ;
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 2, 2003 8:25:36 GMT -5
edeiksan oi germanoi mia ekpomph gyrw apo thn a8hna kai ta ktismata ths. To panathinaiko ksekinhse kata to 1890 kai teliwse to 1902 douleuan 200 ergates ktl. meta eixe afierwma gia to oaka Ôï Ðáíáèçíáúêü óôÜäéï ðñïõðÞñ÷å óôçí ßäéá èÝóç ðñéí ôçí ÏëõìðéÜäá. Äåí îÝñù áêñéâþò áðü ðüôå (ßóùò áðü ôï 1890). Ìå ôçí åõêáéñßá üìùò ôçò äéïñãÜíùóçò, Ýðñåðå íá âåëôéùèåß óçìáíôéêÜ. ×ñÞìáôá üìùò ôüôå äåí õðÞñ÷áí ëüãù ôçò ðôþ÷åõóçò óôçí ïðïßá âñéóêüôáí ç ïéêïíïìßá ìáò. ¼ëïé ðåñßìåíáí ôá ÷ñÞìáôá íá ôá äþóåé êÜðïéïò åõåñãÝôçò, üðùò óõíçèßæïíôáí ôçí åðï÷Þ åêåßíç. Èá ÷ñåéáæüôáí ôï ðïóü ôïõ 1.000.000 äñ÷ (!!!) ãéá ôçí áíáóôÞëùóç. ÔåëéêÜ üðùò ôï ðåñßìåíáí ï ÁâÝñùö Ýóôåéëå ôá ÷ñÞìáôá áðü ôçí Áßãõðôï ðïõ æïýóå ôüôå êáé ôá Ýñãá îåêßíçóáí. Ç ìïñöÞ ôïõ Ðáíáèçíáúêïý óôáäßïõ êáôÜ ôç äéÜñêåéá ôùí ïëõìðéáêþí, äåí Þôáí üðùò äåß÷íåé óÞìåñá. Äåí Þôáí üëï áðü ìÜñìáñï (äåí Ýäåé÷íå äçëáäÞ Üóðñï üðùò ôþñá). Ìüíï ïé 4-5 ðñþôåò óåéñÝò áðü êÜôù åß÷áí áõôü ôï ðåíôåëéêü ìÜñìáñï. Ïé õðüëïéðåò óåéñÝò ôïõ ðñþôïõ äéáæþìáôïò Þôáí áðü ðõñüëéèï (óêïýñï ìáýñï ðÝôñùìá), åíþ ïé óåéñÝò ôïõ ðÜíù äéáæþìáôïò (ôï ìéóü óôÜäéï äçëáäÞ) Þôáí áðü ...îýëï!! ÖõóéêÜ ç åðéëïãÞ ôùí õëéêþí áõôþí Ýãéíå ôüóï ãéá ïéêïíïìéêïýò ëüãïõò, üóï êáé ëüãù ÷ñïíéêÞò ðßåóçò (êáëÞ þñá!). ÂÝâáéá ôüôå åß÷áí êáé ðïëý ëéãüôåñï ÷ñüíï ãéá ôçí ðñïåôïéìáóßá å? (äåí åß÷áí 7 ïëüêëçñá ÷ñüíéá). Ï óôßâïò äåí Þôáí ðåôáëïåéäÞò üðùò óÞìåñá, áëëÜ ïâÜë üðùò ïé óýã÷ñïíïé, ìå ôç äéáöïñÜ üôé Þôáí ìáêñýôåñåò ïé ðëåõñÝò ôïõ. Ôá åãêáßíéá Ýãéíáí óôéò 24 Ìáñôßïõ ôïõ 1896, ôçí ðáñáìïíÞ äçëáäÞ ôçò Ýíáñîçò ôùí áãþíùí, ìå ìåãÜëï áðüíôá ôïí ßäéï ôïí ÁâÝñùö ðïõ ëüãù ìåãÜëçò çëéêßáò ç ìåôáêßíçóÞ ôïõ Þôáí äýóêïëç. Åß÷áí öñïíôßóåé íá óôÞóïõí Ýíá áäñéÜíôá ôïõ åõåñãÝôç óôçí åßóïäï ôïõ óôáäßïõ. Ï ÁâÝñùö íùñßôåñá åß÷å äùñßóåé ÷ñÞìáôá ãéá ðïëëÜ éóôïñéêÜ (óÞìåñá) êôÞñéá ôçò ÁèÞíáò ìåôáîý ôùí ïðïßùí öõóéêÜ êáé ôï Ìåôóüâéï Ðïëõôå÷íåßï (ëüãù êáôáãùãÞò ôïõ ç ïíïìáóßá). Ïé åñãáóßåò åîùñáúóìïý ôçò ãýñù ðåñéï÷Þò (êÜôé óáí ôçí «áéóèçôéêÞ åíïðïßçóç ôïõ ÏÁÊÁ»_2ç åñãïëáâßá ÊáëáôñÜâá!!), Ýãéíáí êõñéïëåêôéêÜ ôçí ôåëåõôáßá óôéãìÞ êáé ï ÷þñïò Ýìïéáæå ôåëéêÜ óáí íá ãéíüôáí üíôùò êÜðïéá ãéïñôÞ, åíþ ëßãåò þñåò íùñßôåñá Þôáí ãéáðß. Ïé ðçãÝò ãéá ôá ðáñáðÜíù óôïé÷åßá ðñïÝñ÷ïíôáé áðü ôï Ýíèåôï ãéá ôïõò ïëõìðéáêïýò áãþíåò ðïõ Ý÷åé êáèçìåñéíÜ ç åëåõèåñïôõðßá, êáé åãþ ôá ìáæåýù, êáé áõôÞ ôç óôéãìÞ Ý÷åé öôÜóåé óôçí ÏëõìðéÜäá ôïõ 1896. Åß÷å áíáöïñÜ êáé óå Üëëåò êáôáóêåõÝò, üðùò ôï ðïäçëáôïäñüìéï (ìåôÝðåéôá ðïäïóöáéñéêü ãÞðåäï ÊáñáúóêÜêç) ðïõ ðÞñå ôï üíïìÜ ôïõ áðü ôï Üãáëìá ôïõ Þñùá ðïõ õðÞñ÷å óôç ðåñéï÷Þ, êáé ôï óêïðåõôÞñéï Ýíá êôÞñéï êÜôé óáí ôç óçìåñéíÞ áêáäçìßá, ìå êßïíåò êáé äå óõììáæåýåôáé (äå ãíùñßæù ðïéï åßíáé áõôü ôï êôÞñéï óÞìåñá). Íá äåßôå ìéá öùôïãñáößá ôïõ ÊáñáúóêÜêç ìå ÷ùñÜöéá ãýñù ãýñù ìÝ÷ñé ôïí Õìçôôü (ìüíï 2 âéïìç÷áíßåò õðÞñ÷áí óôïí ïñßæïíôá). ÁõôÞ ç öùôïãñáößá èá Þôáí íôïêïõìÝíôï óÞìåñá óå óõæÞôçóç ãéá ôï éäéïêôçóéáêü ôïõ ÊáñáúóêÜêç. ÁõôÜ êáé sorry ãéá ôçí ðïëõëïãßá.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2003 8:58:49 GMT -5
to stadio yphrxe sthn arxaiothta meta grmistike epi hrwdh attikou kai oi petres marmara ktl xrhsimopoih8hkan se alla ktismata. To 1890me thn analhpsh twn olympiakwn apofasistike h anakataskeuh, mono pou sta 6 xronia logo xrhmatwn pou aneferes ktl den oloklhrw8hke. Afierwma yphrxe sto arte kkai to bloumberg sth germania, sthn idia ekpomph anafer8hkan epishs sthn agora, akropolh, kai ta neoklasika ktismata ths a8hnas logo o8wna.
Ekpomph htan prin apo 3 bdomades, htan xwrhgia tou ypourgiou politismou mas mpas kai mazepsoun touristes ktl...
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Post by Amadeus on Dec 2, 2003 9:46:22 GMT -5
To 1890me thn analhpsh twn olympiakwn apofasistike h anakataskeuh, mono pou sta 6 xronia logo xrhmatwn pou aneferes ktl den oloklhrw8hke. Ößëå chris, ç áíÜèåóç ôçò ïëõìðéÜäáò äåí Ýãéíå ôï 1890 áëëÜ áñêåôÜ áñãüôåñá. Ôï 1893 Þ 1894. Äå âÜæù êáé ôï ÷Ýñé ìïõ óôç öùôéÜ, áëëÜ èá ôï øÜîù êáé èá óïõ ðù.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2003 11:46:06 GMT -5
anakalw 1894 parisi h syneleush orise arxika to etos 1897 gia th die3agwgh omws gia na pesoun oi epomenoi me thn enar3h ths 1000as metafer8hkan 1 xrono nwritera1896 H anamarmarwsh ksekinhse to 1894 alla teliwse to 1902
sorry
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2003 11:56:44 GMT -5
oppou to stadio exei kai th shmerinh tou morfh
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Post by Lucretius on Dec 2, 2003 17:32:57 GMT -5
Ôï óôÜäéï óôçí áñ÷áéüôçôá Þôáí óôåíüôåñï êáé ìå (áñêåôÜ) ëéãüôåñåò èÝóåéò. Ï ÌåôáîÜò åß÷å ðñïôåßíåé "ìåãáëåéþäåò" (âëÝðå "êéôò") ðñüðõëï êáé ðåñéìåôñéêÞ äùñéêÞ óôïÜ áêñéâþò ðÜíù áðï ôï ðÝôáëï. Åõôõ÷þò äåí õëïðïéÞèçêå, áí êáé ôï ðñüðõëï Ýìåéíå ãéá áñêåôü êáéñü ùò äéáñêÝò áðùèçìÝíï.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2003 18:58:12 GMT -5
Ç ìïñöÞ ôïõ Ðáíáèçíáúêïý óôáäßïõ êáôÜ ôç äéÜñêåéá ôùí ïëõìðéáêþí, äåí Þôáí üðùò äåß÷íåé óÞìåñá. Äåí Þôáí üëï áðü ìÜñìáñï (äåí Ýäåé÷íå äçëáäÞ Üóðñï üðùò ôþñá). Ìüíï ïé 4-5 ðñþôåò óåéñÝò áðü êÜôù åß÷áí áõôü ôï ðåíôåëéêü ìÜñìáñï. Åãþ ôá îÝñù ëßãï äéáöïñåôéêÜ. ¼íôùò ìüíï ëßãåò êÜôù óåéñÝò Þôáí áðü ìÜñìáñï êáé ïé Üëëåò áðü îýëï. ¼ìùò ôï óôÜäéï Ýäåé÷íå Üóðñï, áöïý åß÷áí âÜøåé ëåõêïýò ôïõò îýëéíïõò ðÜãêïõò!
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Post by Ypsilon on Dec 2, 2003 19:06:11 GMT -5
Lucretius Ý÷åéò äßêéï, ôþñá ðïõ ôï ëåò ôï èõìÜìáé êé åãþ. Ôï ðñüðõëï Þôáí üíôùò áðáñÜäåêôï, ìå êßïíåò áíÜìåóá óå éùíéêü êáé ðáëëáäéáíü (!) ñõèìü, ãéáôß âëÝðåéò, áðü ôüôå èÝëáìå íá ìïéÜæïõìå "Åõñùðáßïé".
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Post by Lucretius on Dec 2, 2003 19:21:09 GMT -5
Áõôü ðïõ å÷åé óçìáóßá åßíáé íá èõìüìáóôå ïôé áðï ôï áñ÷áßï óôÜäéï Ýìåéíå ìïíï ôï ó÷Þìá êáé ç ïíïìáóßá (óáí ôï ñüäï ôïõ Eco),
Äåí ãíùñßæïõìå ôá áíáóêáöéêÜ óôïé÷åßá ìéá êáé ç áíáóêáöÞ Þôáí õðåñâïëéêÜ ðñï÷åéñç åí üøåé ïëõìðéÜäáò (êïßôá íá äåßò... ôßðïôá äåí Üëëáîå óå 110 ÷ñüíéá!), üðùò êáé óôïí ÷þñï ôçò Áêñüðïëçò. Ç ôåëåõôáßá áíáâßùóç ôïõ ðñoðýëïõ Ýãéíå ôï 97, åðé Vangelis êáé áí èõìÜìáé êáëÜ ôï ÷ñõóïðëçñþóáìå.
Stat rosa pristina nomine nomina nuda tememus
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