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Post by Amadeus on Oct 16, 2003 5:25:34 GMT -5
ÌåôáöïñÜ áðü ôï Thread ôïõ ÊáëáôñÜâá. ÓõæÞôçóç ãéá ïôéäÞðïôå áöïñÜ óôçí ðñïåôïéìáóßá, ôçí ïñãÜíùóç, ôçí áëëáãÞ óôç æùÞ ìáò êáé üôé Üëëï èÝëåôå.
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Post by crs on Oct 16, 2003 6:52:35 GMT -5
Loipon diavasa me megalo endiaferon tis apopsis sto "OAKA - Calatrava". Thelo na po oti eimai kai ego enas apo aftous tous poromenous me tus agones. Htan ena oniro zois kai gia mena na erthun oi agones stin Athina. Kathe fora pou pataga to podi mou sto OAKA, sxediaza me to mialo mou, pos tha anapsi i floga stin teleti enarxis ;h to pos tha einai to stadio ntimeno "Olimpiaka". Pano apo ola ithela tous agones giati pisteva pos o monadikos tropos na allaxei i athina kai na ginei viosimi poli tha itan i analipsi ton agonon. Perito na po oti i apolia tous to 1991 sto Tokio, itan ena sok gia mena kai i analipsi tous to 97 itan apo tis megaliteres xares tis zois mou.
H Athina mpori na min allaxei telika oso tha to ithela kai oso tha perimena me ta erga pou telika ginontai, sigoura omos i eikona tis tha veltiothei aisthita. Pleon oi armodioi exoun arxisi na tin vlepoun me ta matia tou episkepti kai oxi me ta dika tous, pou einai sinithismena stin kakokoustia kai sti mizeria tis polis. Mesa se 5 xronia eginan erga pou sxediazontan gia dekaeties. Alla erga programmatistikan, oi athlitikes egkatastasis pou ginontai kanoun tin athina mia apo tis pio spoudees polis tou kosmou se atlitikes ipodomes. Metro, Tram, proastiakos, kai attiki odos tha veltiosoun tis metafores. (kai tha anoixoun tous dromous gia na agorasoun kai alla aftokinita oi ellinares...) Tha ginontan ola afta an den eixame analavei tous agones? (Kai malista, xoris kanena -"emfanes" toulaxisto- skandalo!)
Oso gia ton ethelontismo eimai kai ego enas apo aftous, pou dilosan simmetoxi kai pira idi mia proti gefsi sto test event toy perasmenou augoustoy. To kano oxi apla gia na po oti "tha eimai kai ego ekei", alla gia na voithiso tin xora mou. Oute gia tin proedro oute gia kanenan allo. Akougete romantiko, isos kai na einai stis meres mas, alla etsi einai. Apo ti meria tou as voithisi o kathenas opos mporei gia na eimaste ena ethnos iperifano otan teliosoun oi agones. Kai i kritiki voithaei otan ginete kaloproaireta. Ayta.
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Post by alekos on Oct 16, 2003 9:57:40 GMT -5
Egw eimai enas apo aytous pou den vlepoun me toso kalo mati th dieksagwgh olympiakwn agwnwn sth xwra mas. Safws kai eginan kapoia erga (Metro,aerodromio,Attikh Odos),alla ayta pisteyw oti outws h allws kapoia stigmh tha eprepe na ginoun, isws vevaia me pio argous rythmous.Kathe politismenh eyrwpaikh prwteyousa tha eprepe na exei kalo aerodromio, diktyo metro kai sovarous peripheriakous dromous. To oti perimename thn Olympiada gia na ta kanoume einai lyphro...Ektos aytou, meta thn Olympiada tha yparksoun sovara provlimata me thn anergia (pou tha pane oloi aytoi pou ergazontai twra sta olympiaka erga;) kai anamenetai dhmosionomikh krish,toutestin tha xrewthoun kai ta eggonia mas (vlepe Montreal 1976,pou akoma plhrwnoun oi Kanadoi ta spasmena). An kai Athinaios,den prepei na paravlepsw thn isopedwtika anish katanomh porwn se Athina kai periphereia,fysika logw Olympiakwn agwnwn...
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Post by Ypsilon on Oct 16, 2003 17:46:44 GMT -5
Ó÷åôéêÜ ìå ôçí éóïðåäùôéêÜ Üíéóç êáôáíïìÞ ðüñùí ðñïò ôçí ðåñéöÝñåéá, èá Þèåëá íá ðáñáêáëÝóù ôçí áãáðçôÞ ðåñéöÝñåéá íá êáôáëÜâåé Ýóôù êáé ãéá ìéá öïñÜ, êáé íá ðáñáäå÷ôåß ìå êáôáíüçóç êáé ìåãáëïøõ÷ßá üôé ü÷é ìüíïí ôá åß÷å áíÜãêç áõôÜ ôá Ýñãá ç ÁèÞíá (áó÷Ýôùò Ïëõìðéáêþí), áëëÜ êáé ðùò êé áí áêüìá ãßíïíôáí Üëëá ôüóá, ðÜëé ëßãá èá Þôáíå. ÁõôÜ, ãéá íá ìçí ôñåëáèïýìå ôåëåßùò äçëáäÞ, Ý÷ïõìå âñåé ìéá êáñáìÝëá êáé ôçí ðéðéëÜìå áéùíßùò. Êáé áí ðåôý÷ïõí ïé áãþíåò äåí èá Ý÷åé ìüíï ç ÁèÞíá êÝñäïò, èá Ý÷åé êáé ç ðåñéöÝñåéá. Èá ìðïñÝóïõìå ðïôÝ íá ôï êáôáëÜâïõìå áõôü? ¼óï ãéá ôçí áíåñãßá êáé ôç äçìïóéïíïìéêÞ êñßóç, ôá Ýãñáöá êáé óôï thread ôïõ ÊáëáôñÜâá: Áí ïé áãþíåò ðÜíå êáëÜ, èá õðÜñîåé êáé êÝñäïò áðü ðÜíù, êáé ìÜëéóôá óå âÜèïò ÷ñüíïõ. Ôé çôôïðÜèåéá åßíáé áõôÞ ðïõ ìáò Ý÷åé ðéÜóåé? Ìå ôï íá óêåöôüìáóôå óõíÝ÷åéá ôá ÷åéñüôåñá, óçìáßíåé üôé Ý÷ïõìå ðåßóåé ôïõò åáõôïýò ìáò áðü ôþñá, ðùò èá áðïôý÷ïõìå ôïõ ÷ñüíïõ. Áõôü èÝëïõìå? ÐñïóùðéêÜ äåí ôï ðéóôåýù êáèüëïõ. ¼óï ãéá ôï õðåñâÜëëïí êüóôïò, áõôü åßíáé áíáðüöåõêôï, ðáíôïý óôïí êüóìï. ÔïõëÜ÷éóôïí üìùò, áöÞíåé ÷åéñïðéáóôÜ Ýñãá ðßóù, ü÷é áåñïëïãßåò üðùò ãéíüôáí ìÝ÷ñé ôþñá. Êáé óå êÜèå ðåñßðôùóç, áí åßìáóôå Ýîõðíïé, áõôÜ ôá ðáñáðÜíù ëåöôÜ èá ôá ðëçñþóïõí ãéá ôçí ðÜñôç ìáò ïé îÝíïé (ü÷é åìåßò), ìÝóù ôçò êÜèåôçò áýîçóçò ôïõ ôïõñéóìïý êáé ôùí åðåíäýóåùí. Ãéá íá ãßíåé üìùò áõôü, ðñÝðåé ðñþôá íá ðÜíå êáëÜ ïé Áãþíåò, êáé ìåéò íá êáôáëÜâïõìå üôé ôï áëçèéíü ðáíçãýñé èá áñ÷ßóåé ãéá åìÜò ôçí çìÝñá ôçò ëÞîçò ôïõò, üôáí èá áñ÷ßóïõìå íá êåöáëáéïðïéïýìå ôá êÝñäç. Áõôü Ýêáíå êáé ç Âáñêåëþíç, êáé Ýêôïôå ôï Conde Nast ôçí öÝñíåé êÜèå ÷ñüíï óôçí êïñõöÞ ôùí ðüëåùí ôïõ êüóìïõ, ðÜíù áêüìá êé áðü ôï Ðáñßóé, ôç Í. Õüñêç êáé ôï Óßäíåú, åêåß ðïõ ìÝ÷ñé ôï '92 Þôáí ç íôñïðÞ ôçò Éóðáíßáò.... ÌéëÜìå, ïé Üíèñùðïé, äåí Ý÷ïõí óõíÝëèåé áêüìá. Åßäáí ôÝôïéá áëëáãÞ óôç æùÞ ôïõò, ðïõ Þôáí ïé ìïíáäéêïß óôçí éóôïñßá ôùí Ïëõìðéáêþí ðüëåùí, ðïõ ðÝñõóé Ýêáíáí ìåãÜëåò ãéïñôÝò ãéá ôá 10 ÷ñüíéá áðü ôç äéïñãÜíùóç ôùí Áãþíùí! Áðßóôåõôá ðñÜãìáôá äçëáäÞ, êáé (äõóôõ÷þò) áð' ü,ôé âëÝðù, ðïëý ìáêñéÜ áðü ôç ìßæåñç íïïôñïðßá ìáò...
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Post by PAO on Oct 17, 2003 2:23:23 GMT -5
Sumfwnw kai epau3anw me to post tou filou ypsilon !
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alekos
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Post by alekos on Oct 17, 2003 5:26:31 GMT -5
H Barkelwnh prin tous Olympiakous agwnes htan mia sympathitikh mesogeiakh paraliakh polh,meta tous Olympiakous ekselixthike se mhtropolh ths dytikhs Mesogeiou (thn episkefthika prosfata). Ws foititis sth Germania vlepw th douleia pou ginetai enopsei tou Mountial kai melagxolw. H opoia arnhtikh prodiathesh den shmainei mizeria,alla kritiko pneyma...H dhmokratia allwste mas to epitrepei h mhpws oxi;;;
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Post by Ypsilon on Oct 17, 2003 5:47:42 GMT -5
ÁëÝêï, ç ìéæÝñéá óôçí ïðïßá áíáöåñüìïõí óôï êåßìåíü ìïõ, óáöþò êáé äåí áöïñïýóå óôéò áðüøåéò óïõ. Åäþ ìÝóá ðñïóðáèþ íá óõæçôþ ÷ùñßò íá êÜíù êñéôéêÞ óôá ó÷üëéá ôùí Üëëùí. Äåí Ý÷åé íüçìá êÜôé ôÝôïéï åîÜëëïõ, ï êáèÝíáò ôç ãíþìç ôïõ ëÝåé. Áõôü ðïõ åßðá Þôáí ìéá ãåíéêÞ ôïðïèÝôçóç, ìå âÜóç üóá âëÝðù óôçí ÅëëçíéêÞ êïéíùíßá. ÁðëÜ, ï êáèÝíáò ðáßñíåé áöïñìÝò áðü ôá ãñáöüìåíá ôùí óõíïìéëçôþí ôïõ, êáé ôïðïèåôåßôáé áíáëüãùò. Ôßðïôá ðåñéóóüôåñï...
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crs
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Post by crs on Jan 26, 2004 9:43:18 GMT -5
ÓÞìåñá 26ç ôïõ Éáíïõáñßïõ âñéóêüìáóôå 200 ìÝñåò ðñéí ôçí Ýíáñîç ôùí Áãþíùí ôçò ÁèÞíáò. ÁõôÞ ç åðÝôåéïò Þôáí ç áöïñìÞ ãéá Üñèñá êáé áíáöïñÝò óôïí îÝíï ôýðï, êáé óôá ìåãÜëá äéåèíÞ ðñáêôïñåßá åéäÞóåùí. Äçëþóåéò Ñïíãê, Ïóâáëíô êáé ôçò ÃéÜííáò... Ïõäåìßá áíáöïñÜ üìùò óôïí åëëçíéêü ôýðï...
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Post by Ypsilon on Jan 26, 2004 10:31:26 GMT -5
Ñå crs èçñßï, ðïý ôï îÝèáøåò áõôü ôï thread; ¸÷åéò Üäéêï ðïõ êáôçãïñåßò ôá ÅëëçíéêÜ ÌÌÅ ãéá õðïâÜèìéóç ôùí Áãþíùí. ¼ëç ôçí ðåñáóìÝíç âäïìÜäá, äåí Üêïõãå êáíåßò ôßðïôå Üëëï ðáñÜ ìðç÷ôÝò ôïõ óôõë "ìå ôï ðñþôï ÷éüíé áðïêëåéóôÞêáìå, ïé Ïëõìðéáêïß ìáò ìÜñáíáí", Þ "ìå ôçí ðñþôç âñï÷Þ ðíéãÞêáìå, ïé Ïëõìðéáêïß ìáò Ýëåéðáí".... ÓôéãìÞ äåí öåýãïõí áðü ôï óôüìá ìáò ïé Áãþíåò, êé üëï ìå ôç ãëõêéÜ êïõâÝíôá åßìáóôå !! Ìçí åßìáóôå ðëåïíÝêôåò...
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Post by smarg on Jan 26, 2004 11:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by savas on Jan 26, 2004 15:23:36 GMT -5
afto to thema einai arketa dyskola kai periploko!
genika oi olympiakoi agones einai mia diorganosi pou sxedon kathe poli pou tous diorganose kataferan natin feroun kai pali sto proskinio. to exoume akousi toses fores omos tha to ksanagrapso:
oi olympiakoi agones einai mia proklisi alla kai megali evkairia! oxi mono apo oikonomikis plevras. oi agones apoteloun aformi jia ton eksygronismo kai tin diaksagogi megalon ergon ypodomis. alloste jiana eimaste eilikrinis, oi perissoteres polis pou dilonoun ypopsifiotita to kanoun jiati kseroun oti i anathesi tis diorgonosis ton agonon einai paralila eisitirio jia enan risiko eksynxronismo tis polis... etsi ejine stin varkeloni, to sydney kai tis alles.
ta idia isxioun kai jiatin athina. fysika stin periptosi tis athinas ta pragmata einai ligo pio periploka.
oi ellines (kai afto to kseroume oloi mas poli kala) einai laos pou tou aresi na kalopernai, na glenta, na troi, na ta pini kai.... kai oso ligotero xriasete na ergasti toso to kalitero!!!! me liga logia eimaste ligo anorganota tempeloskyla....!!! ;D
paradigma/sygrisi: eno sto beijing 4,5 xronia prin idi yparexoun sxedia, arxitektonikes meletes kai propantos i kataskevi tous idi einai se ekseliksi, edo stin elladitsa 200 meres prin palevoume me ena stegastro kai me to edafos giro, giro... skeftite na xreiasotan na kataskevasoune kainourgio olympiako stadio!
den thelo na arxiso ti grinia jiati afto einai to megalitero provlima ton ellinon. grinia, grinia, agnia, egoismoi kai ellipsi koinonikis synedisis! akoujete poli arnitiko afto pou leo alla etsi einai ta pragmata.
oloi koroidevoun tous politikous... tha, tha, tha, tha... omos exei akousi kai o laos ligo ton eafto tou? thelo, thelo, thelo xoris omos skototho sti douleia. jiati stis alles xores tou kosmou oi politikoi einai diaforetikoi?
oi ellines einai san ena mamothrefto. kalomathimeno megalo paidi. prepei na to peroume apo to xeri jiana perasi to dromo. ama tha perasi omon stin apenanti plevra kai ftasi stin paidiki xara tha kaloperasi kai tha diaskedasi me tis ores.
oti oi politikoi kai oi ypefthinoi einai dieftharmenoi kai kleftes kai ypokrites ta kseroume... ti apomenei? i tha griniasoume mexri na mas dosoun karamela jiana isixasoume i tha prospathisoume na allaksoume ta pragmata.
etsi einai kai me tin diorganosi ton olympiakon: grinia, grinia... kanesnas den sxesi kai tin efthini jiatin organosi tous omos aloi mas kejomaste kai katigoroume tous olympiakous.
oi olympiakoi einai san ena diamanti apeksergasto mes tin vromia. an tha to kratisis sto xeri i tha katsis sto kolo sou na to epeksergastis me tis ores mexri na jini jialistero kai politimo i tha to petaksis pali sto xoma jia ti variese pou genithikes i epidi oute pou pires xampari oti itan diamantaki....
pola sxediastikan, meletithikan kai itan na jinoun. pola apo afta ksexastikan kai apo diaforous logous den jinontai. krima. omos pola jinontai. kai jiana eimaste eilikrinis pola apo afta den tha jinotane xoris tous olympiakous oute to 2010!!! elpiso oti kata tin diarkia kai meta tous olympiakous oloi aftoi pou itan kata, na katalavoun oti otam thelis na kataferis kati prepei prin na doulepsis sklira.
alla etsi einai panta edo... grinia omos otan tha anpsi i floga oloi mas tha dakrisoume apo perifania kai tha kafxiomaste san perd**es!!!
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Post by Ypsilon on Jan 27, 2004 8:17:27 GMT -5
Êáé ìÝóá óôçí ôïýñëá ôïõ ÓáââÜôïõ, ðåôÜãåôáé êáé ï Âáóéëáêüðïõëïò êáé ðñïôåßíåé åðéóÞìùò íá ãßíïíôáé ìüíéìá ïé Ïëõìðéáêïß óôçí ÅëëÜäá, ü÷é üìùò óôçí ÁèÞíá áëëÜ óôçí åõñýôåñç ðåñéï÷Þ ôçò Ïëõìðßáò !! Ðþò äåí ôï' ÷å óêåöôåß êáíåßò íùñßôåñá; Åäþ ìéëÜìå ãéá ìåãáëïöõÞ éäÝá !! ÔÝôïéá ëÝíå äçìïóßùò ïé ðáíôüò åßäïõò "áñìüäéïé" ðïõ ðëçñþíïõìå áðü ôçí ôóÝðç ìáò, êáé ìåôÜ áðïñïýìå ãéáôß óôï åîùôåñéêü Üìá èÝëïõí íá óðÜóïõí ðëÜêá, áíïßãïõí ôï êåöÜëáéï "¸ëëçíåò"... ¸÷ïõìå êáôáíôÞóåé åíôåëþò ãñáöéêïß ðéá....
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Post by PAO on Jan 27, 2004 8:49:42 GMT -5
¸÷ïõìå êáôáíôÞóåé åíôåëþò ãñáöéêïß ðéá.... Ï÷é öéëå ... Åéìáóôå åäù êáé ÷ñïíéá ÃÑÁÖÉÊÏÉ ...
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Post by alekos on Jan 28, 2004 12:29:03 GMT -5
To germaniko periodiko Stern exei afierwma sthn Athina sto teleytaio teyxos,opu anaferetai oti oi agwnes h tha mas "anevasoun" diethnws h tha mas katastrepsoun. Perimenw ta sxolia ekeinwn, oi opoioi ta vlepoun ola teleia...
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